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[theineffablezie]

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[Chrysopoeia]

Interesting.

I definte myself as Neutrois because I don't have a gender that I can be labelled with. I want to modify my body to conform to my personal defintion of Perfect Androgyny. I just am. And I just want to be. I don't really care whether someone identifies me or my actions as male or female; this is Perfect Androgyny on MY terms, no one else's.

I do wonder though - what are heretic principles and what makes them the polar opposite of Christianity?

[Kass-ID]

That's a lot of thoughts to respond and I'm currently on my iPhone so I'll have to come back and comment more fully but for now....
I thought it was thought provoking in a lot of interesting ways. Concepts like not existing or being invisible hit home for me. I was a little confused by your thoughts on Christian vs. Heritic, but that may be because I wasn't raised a Christian. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[theineffablezie]

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[omelu]

wow, I really like how much thought you put in to that!

the Catholic stuff does not apply to me. The Irish half of the family was VERY Catholic a generation ago, but now they're mainly lapsed, Unitarians, atheists, or dead. The few practicing Catholics left are all very liberal because family absolutely comes first on that side, and one of their sisters is a lesbian. So...very little religious pressure on anyone these days.

I do wish there was more room for non-binary gender space in our culture though. I mean, I still sometimes have trouble when I see a person who is not rigidly following a gender model not trying to nitpick them apart until I think I know which of the binaries they are. I feel like I certainly can't ask my family to view me as neither a man nor a woman when I can't consistently afford people that space.

As for your definition of neutrois, while I highly resonate with some aspects of what you said, you also reminded me why I never commit to it. Neutrois as a third gender causes me to be wary because it is generally not defined, so I feel like I do not know what I am calling myself.

I do desire a neuter body. I consider neuter my ideal physical sex. Exactly what would constitute this body (things like your arm hair example) I am not sure. I could create my own ideal body, but I am not sure it would be what others would want in a neuter body. Gender is a little more complicated because I have ruled out several genders (male, female, androgyne, bigender, pregender) but not been able to answer whether or not I am without gender or processing some other gender (neutrois). It seems like it ought to be easy, but that's where I am stuck, and why I just put "non-binary".

[Lyn Aven]

Just to give a brief distinction, at least according to the words commonly used here:

"Androgyne" is a gender identity that is some blend of male and female.

"Neutrois" is a gender identity that is neither male nor female.

"Agender"/"agendered" is the lack of a gender identity.

Does this help you?

[theineffablezie]

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[Chrysopoeia]

Ah, the Roman Catholic vs Heretics makes a lot more sense. Antigender identity makes total sense, but I had to think about it for a while. XD (It's late, my brain breaks easily)

[smischmal]

Wow... what a first post. That was really great.
I think that you really hit the nail on the head so to speak in regards to how the binary system has claimed all possible human traits/emotions/ect. that are not necessarily even related, rendering anything outside these two possibilities an impossibility to 'common sense'.

[theineffablezie]

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