Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

[siead_lietrathua]

I stumbled across this yesterday, and thought it would be interesting to post it here.
http://www.rapestop.net/subscribers/index.asp

for those unable to surf it, the rapex condom is a latex and plastic device inserted into a vaginal canal (like a tampon) that well, basically, stabs itself into the penis of a rapist with plastic barbs. the only way to have it safely removed is to go in to a hospital or other health-care place. there is a whole bunch of q&a and stuff on the site, but even the bio-boys i have shown it to are saying it's the greatest idea ever (though granted they all abhor rape)

feel free to move this to boxing ring if there will be flamewars, but i think for females who live in high-risk areas this is a great option. and for the idiots trying to rape someone they get one hell of a life lesson, and if they seek medical care right away, then they will have no real lasting physical harm. if they try to pull it off themselves, well.... darwinism?

[RilianXI]

So, what's the deal with this thing? Can the penis be safely removed from the vagina, and the condom thing is just stuck on it, or is the condom stuck in the vagina with penis stuck in the condom so that the penis can't be removed without going to a hospital?

[siead_lietrathua]

the part inside the woman is a latex sheath, and inside the sheath there are 4 plastic pieces with barbs angled inwards. it does not adhere to the woman, and once the male has been "trapped" in the condom, it is pulled out of the female and she can escape (since i am sure that the male will be just a little bit distracted by then).

[Ryles]

I know it's ED, and not to be taken too seriously, but encylcopedia dramatica suggested inverting it (sticking it into the girl so she gets struck by the barbs). If people can actually do that, that might be worse.

[Jamie]

Good idea

Unless the girl* forgets to remove it


*person of indeterminate or unknown gender, who has inserted said device into a hole that it is possible to penetrate

[-Kt-]

Good idea

Unless the girl forgets to remove it

I think anyone who has read Snowcrash should remember to remove it.
RapeX condom and other brands of similar device has worked out pretty good, especially in some underdeveloped countries.

[Liv]

Sounds essentially like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata

I can see how it might be a good idea in certain risky situations perhaps, but seems a bit paranoid for regular use. I suppose it might depend where you live though

[siead_lietrathua]

to ryles: i think it would be hard to reverse it in the first place, because of the hard plastic bracers for the spines. but even if you did, the spikes would cut the woman, but not stick inside the body because of the angle they are on ( angled up / instead of downward \ ) do alot of damage, yes, but not remain in the body.
and apperantly they got the idea from vagina dentata. (btw, anyone else wanting to see teeth? heard that it's pretty good)

[Catechin]

Those are pretty cool to me, as I abhor rape and think anyone who does such a thing deserves that or worse, but it is really sad people even need to use them. There is also "fem defence", a tampon like device that shoots out a big metal spike into whatever is unfortunate enough to rub against it. One could also take it out and proceed to stab the offender while they are rolling on the ground in shock.

[Ryles]

Does that one usually need to be removed? I like that idea better- the thought of it getting stuck to the guy while he's still inside the girl was a bit horrible.

[-Kt-]

Those are pretty cool to me, as I abhor rape and think anyone who does such a thing deserves that or worse, but it is really sad people even need to use them. There is also "fem defence", a tampon like device that shoots out a big metal spike into whatever is unfortunate enough to rub against it. One could also take it out and proceed to stab the offender while they are rolling on the ground in shock.

I would never use the Fem Defense, for one thing, if the rapist has an STD, and gets blood in one's vagina, one would probably contract the illness.

The RapeX would probably producce a lot less blood, and by it's very nature it would probably ccapture most of the blood inside, but the razor thin tiny spikes probably will not penetrate the epidermis enough to draw any substantial amount of blood as the RapeX condom would be removed connected to the rapist's penis really fast.

Does that one usually need to be removed? I like that idea better- the thought of it getting stuck to the guy while he's still inside the girl was a bit horrible.

I don't understand how such a concept got into your head, why would the RapeX get stuck?

[Wesley_Lexi]

I've just got to say... OW!!!

[Liv]

Good grief! A device that shoots a spike out of a person's vagina if someone rubs against it! I hope it doesn't go off too easily, like if someone brushes against someone on crowded public transport or something

[Silverblue]

One of the major problems with things like this is that in areas where it has been suggested for use (certain places in Africa), rapes are often conducted in gangs. I frankly would put little to no odds on the woman surviving - she would be slaughtered for daring to attempt to protect herself.

I was in Botswana for a while. They tried sawing off the horns of rhinos to stop poachers. The response of the poachers was to hunt down every single doctored rhino and kill it.

I doubt the girl would fare much better.

[Psychopomp]

When I read the first post, I thought it was a great idea. And, in general, I still think it is. Though there is the aspect of gang rape to consider and the danger of infection from diseased blood.

In a more lighthearted spirit though, I'd say it sounds kind of amusing. Imagine if she forgot she had it in. I'd feel sorry for the next person to wander in the direction of that device.

[Kladeos]

The problem with this is the potential for abuse.

[Estraven]

The bigger problem is that it wouldn't work. Chances are it would just make the rapist angry.

There are a few things I can think of that would work better...

1. Mandatory self-defense training for everyone, starting in elementary school. Yes, this would mean that a potential rapist would get the training too; but with brute physical strength meaning a lot less, committing rape would be a lot harder. From what I know, studies have shown that women who fight back against an unarmed assailant are more likely to get away without being raped; this would give more women that chance and ability to fight back.

2. Mandatory firearms training and gun ownership for adults. IIRC, Sweden does this. Controversial (especially among liberals like myself) but it would take care of the problem of armed assailants, which the previous one wouldn't. (Those scenes in movies where the hero goes barehanded against someone armed with a knife? Yeah, very fictional.)

Those are the easy ones. Now the hard options.

3. True equality: use genetic engineering to eliminate the strength difference between men and women. I'm all in favor of throwing out stupid evolutionary relics, but this is harder than it sounds; it would require untangling sexual maturation from growth, and the human endocrine system is incredibly complex and kludgy. Also, I think a lot of women (and some men, including myself) would object rather strongly to having male-type musculature.

4. Le Guin was right: as above, but make everyone an androgyne with working ovotestes and a uterus. And if you think that sounds insane, I can go one better...

5. The phallus must die: as above, but replace the male penis with something that can't be so conveniently used as a torture instrument. Not sure about the... geometry of such an organ, I'd have to put some effort into figuring out what would do the trick.

The last three are, of course, way beyond the piddling transgenic stuff done today; worse, they'd spark an insane amount of objection, and probably have to be carried out against the population's will via some sort of transmissible vector... Which would of course mean huge potential for suffering, death, and general screwups, both direct and indirect, plus the simply dubious ethics of the whole idea. In other words, they're pipe dreams that in all likelihood will never happen.

(Geeze... The things I come up with in my spare time..)

[Estraven]

Hah, I knew it! I *knew* I couldn't be the only one who thought that sexual dimorphism should die!

[PeachLeaf]

Vagina dentata is, to put it simply, a really lulzy concept to me.
A pussy with teeth. XD

On that note, I think anti-rape condoms are an excellent idea, just for the fact that if a woman's being violated, the guy at least won't get away unscathed.

[Yo'mumma]

1. Mandatory self-defense training for everyone, starting in elementary school. Yes, this would mean that a potential rapist would get the training too; but with brute physical strength meaning a lot less, committing rape would be a lot harder. From what I know, studies have shown that women who fight back against an unarmed assailant are more likely to get away without being raped; this would give more women that chance and ability to fight back.

The problem I see with "self defense training" (assuming you mean of the martial arts kind) is that if it's used that consistently, then everyone knows it (you even pointed it out). Then most martial arts schools will begin to use these attacks to typify an attacker, and then everyone who knows any martial art will pwn everyone who has done the "self defense training". But, whatever, if it seems to work, it works.

I'm not fond of mandatory anything, but, especially if you continue it through elementary school, I can see alot of kids starting to hate it and not take notice.

On the other hand, I'm much more open to schools doing an optional self-defense class for a term a year in place of the usual PE class.

2. Mandatory firearms training and gun ownership for adults. IIRC, Sweden does this. Controversial (especially among liberals like myself) but it would take care of the problem of armed assailants, which the previous one wouldn't. (Those scenes in movies where the hero goes barehanded against someone armed with a knife? Yeah, very fictional.)

Against rapists, knives are a superior option to guns. Statistically, more people survive close-range gun encounters than close-range knife encounters, both civilians and armed forces. Secondly, guns are even weaker on the ground, where most rapes occur (there are many recorded instances of police trying to fire a gun off against an assalent whilst on the ground, and failing). Thirdly, if it's mandatory, everyone can do it - which means that instead of getting raped with brute force, you'll be getting raped with a gun to your head.

3. True equality: use genetic engineering to eliminate the strength difference between men and women. I'm all in favor of throwing out stupid evolutionary relics, but this is harder than it sounds; it would require untangling sexual maturation from growth, and the human endocrine system is incredibly complex and kludgy. Also, I think a lot of women (and some men, including myself) would object rather strongly to having male-type musculature.

This is impossible. Testosterone is responsible for the increased muscular structure found in males. Not only that, but there are more men than women who do weight training.

The reality of this situation is that if women did weight training, they'd be stronger. Not necessarily stronger than men, but there's only so strong you can get before it becomes more obsolete in unarmed combat. If a women was doing a martial art seriously, combining technique, fitness and strength, the line between her and a similarly trained man would begin to blur. This is doubly awesome true for wrestling, and if you're being raped, this is the kind of fighting you'd be doing.

There is only so strong you need to be for fighting. After that, technique and fitness is more important. (And fitness is also really important for wrestling, which is much more probable in a rape situation.)

But I think that, at it's core, much of the difference is in what society tells us to do. 90% of women, if given the task of lifting a heavy object, will get their dads/boyfriends/husbands/next-door-neighbours husband to do it. If we all did the same work, the lines would be more blurred.

4. Le Guin was right: as above, but make everyone an androgyne with working ovotestes and a uterus. And if you think that sounds insane, I can go one better...

5. The phallus must die: as above, but replace the male penis with something that can't be so conveniently used as a torture instrument. Not sure about the... geometry of such an organ, I'd have to put some effort into figuring out what would do the trick.

You've already pointed out the ethical problems with these ones. Hooray for you!


EDIT: Edited the part about knives and guns. Got it the wrong way around; Knives are MORE DEADLY than guns in close-range.