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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Estraven » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:17 am

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1. Mandatory self-defense training for everyone, starting in elementary school. Yes, this would mean that a potential rapist would get the training too; but with brute physical strength meaning a lot less, committing rape would be a lot harder. From what I know, studies have shown that women who fight back against an unarmed assailant are more likely to get away without being raped; this would give more women that chance and ability to fight back.


The problem I see with "self defense training" (assuming you mean of the martial arts kind) is that if it's used that consistently, then everyone knows it (you even pointed it out). Then most martial arts schools will begin to use these attacks to typify an attacker, and then everyone who knows any martial art will pwn everyone who has done the "self defense training". But, whatever, if it seems to work, it works.


Oh... Hadn't thought of that. I'm figuring most rapists won't be skilled martial artists, but there might be exceptions.

I'm not fond of mandatory anything, but, especially if you continue it through elementary school, I can see alot of kids starting to hate it and not take notice.


Also a good point.

On the other hand, I'm much more open to schools doing an optional self-defense class for a term a year in place of the usual PE class.


Maybe require public schools to offer something like that?

2. Mandatory firearms training and gun ownership for adults. IIRC, Sweden does this. Controversial (especially among liberals like myself) but it would take care of the problem of armed assailants, which the previous one wouldn't. (Those scenes in movies where the hero goes barehanded against someone armed with a knife? Yeah, very fictional.)


Against rapists, knives are a superior option to guns. Statistically, more people survive close-range knife encounters than close-range gun encounters, both civilians and armed forces. Secondly, guns are even weaker on the ground, where most rapes occur (there are many recorded instances of police trying to fire a gun off against an assalent whilst on the ground, and failing). Thirdly, if it's mandatory, everyone can do it - which means that instead of getting raped with brute force, you'll be getting raped with a gun to your head.


Ack, you're right. Scratch that then. Maybe bring back some kind of training in knife-fighting and swordsmanship? It would be rather interesting if that made a comeback...

3. True equality: use genetic engineering to eliminate the strength difference between men and women. I'm all in favor of throwing out stupid evolutionary relics, but this is harder than it sounds; it would require untangling sexual maturation from growth, and the human endocrine system is incredibly complex and kludgy. Also, I think a lot of women (and some men, including myself) would object rather strongly to having male-type musculature.


This is impossible. Testosterone is responsible for the increased muscular structure found in males. Not only that, but there are more men than women who do weight training.


What I'm talking about is unlinking testosterone and muscular development, among other things... Basically a massive de-kludging of the human endocrine system. And yeah, it's quite impossible, at least at this stage of the game.

The reality of this situation is that if women did weight training, they'd be stronger. Not necessarily stronger than men, but there's only so strong you can get before it becomes more obsolete in unarmed combat. If a women was doing a martial art seriously, combining technique, fitness and strength, the line between her and a similarly trained man would begin to blur. This is doubly awesome true for wrestling, and if you're being raped, this is the kind of fighting you'd be doing.

There is only so strong you need to be for fighting. After that, technique and fitness is more important. (And fitness is also really important for wrestling, which is much more probable in a rape situation.)


Yeah, what I've heard from a lot of people who know martial arts is that the more you know, the less important brute strength becomes.

But I think that, at it's core, much of the difference is in what society tells us to do. 90% of women, if given the task of lifting a heavy object, will get their dads/boyfriends/husbands/next-door-neighbours husband to do it. If we all did the same work, the lines would be more blurred.


Maybe... However, as you pointed out earlier, lack of testosterone puts a rather stiff limit on muscular development in most women.

4. Le Guin was right: as above, but make everyone an androgyne with working ovotestes and a uterus. And if you think that sounds insane, I can go one better...

5. The phallus must die: as above, but replace the male penis with something that can't be so conveniently used as a torture instrument. Not sure about the... geometry of such an organ, I'd have to put some effort into figuring out what would do the trick.


You've already pointed out the ethical problems with these ones. Hooray for you!


Yeah... Massive, thorny ethical issues there. Doesn't stop me from fantasizing about such scenarios, but IRL it's never going to happen, for a number of reasons.
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Ryles » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:41 pm

Estraven wrote: Oh... Hadn't thought of that. I'm figuring most rapists won't be skilled martial artists, but there might be exceptions.

Most rapes are committed by friends and lovers- they aren't people that skulk in the dark waiting for an innocent prey. I think most rapes might actually be committed by a spouse or significant other, so the problem there is people who feel they have a right to it. So, really, a rapist can be anyone- even those who have martial arts training, you have to consider it as a possibility.

Ack, you're right. Scratch that then. Maybe bring back some kind of training in knife-fighting and swordsmanship? It would be rather interesting if that made a comeback...

That would be pretty cool. My friend was in fencing, and it seems like a fun thing. I like knives and swords better for weapons, they're more personal.
Maybe... However, as you pointed out earlier, lack of testosterone puts a rather stiff limit on muscular development in most women.

Muscular development and strength aren't the same hting. Linked, yes, but there's a different way of training to get strength from getting huge muscles. I think a biogirl can work out enough and gradually increaes her strength to be able to lift large weights, even if she doesn't get the same muscles. She may not be able to naturally reach the same weights as biomales, but as has been pointed out, after a point strength becomes less important, especially if she knows how to use waht she has.
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Yo'mumma » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:33 pm

Hooray, self-defense schematics posts! I'm in heaven!

On the general topic of strength, thought it would be nice to point out that (trained) women generally have 60% of the upper body strength, and 80% lower body strength, than trained men. I think that powerlifters show a similar strength proportion.

Estraven; (thanks for replying btw.)
On the other hand, I'm much more open to schools doing an optional self-defense class for a term a year in place of the usual PE class.


Maybe require public schools to offer something like that?


That'd be cool. My high school had a surfing/kickboxing class for years 9-12 (surfing in summer, kickboxing in winter). My brother's doing that now, and I think he thinks it's pretty cool. I don't think it would be hard to implement, either.
What I'm talking about is unlinking testosterone and muscular development, among other things... Basically a massive de-kludging of the human endocrine system. And yeah, it's quite impossible, at least at this stage of the game.


Ah, that's probably more feasable than me thinking we'd make women stronger. It'd probably give at least some women more drive to be more physically active, too.

Orlando; I agree. My understanding is killing someone with a knife is more psychologically traumatic than doing the same with a gun.

I noted, talking to my neighbour who dresses and acts like a slut, that she seems to get more trouble at nighttime than me. And had to try and escape a (potential, I guess...) rapist through a park in the middle of the night. Which; y'know, is a stupid place to go at nighttime anyway, but I've never had that trouble in the same park. Perhaps, part of the solution is not to be an unescorted woman at nighttime in the first place? I dunno... what I jsut said was pretty obvious, but I'm guilty of doing stupid things at night too...
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Estraven » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:55 pm

That IMHO is part of the problem... Women have every right to walk around unescorted at night, and by rights should be able to. But they're not.

Maybe I'm irrational about this... Still, I find it particularly obnoxious that the level of danger associated with being by one's self is so much higher for women than for men. The danger obviously can't be eliminated completely - society will always have its criminal elements - but I feel that the unfairness aspect needs to be remedied.

Basically, I see it as a limitation on women's rights - in theory, they have the same rights as men, but in practice they're prevented from exercising all those rights by fiat of society's worst elements. And I think that's a bigger problem than most people acknowledge.
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby vampyre_smiles » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:50 pm

Maybe being androgynous is why people don't mess with me in the first place... I've been wondering about that.
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Kladeos » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:18 pm

orlando wrote:I think that for a normal person it would be psychologically much more difficult to use a knife than a gun precisely because it is more personal, one has to touch the other person to hurt. With a gun it can be easier.

Though I understand that using a gun is difficult when one is being raped :(


You don't WANT to hurt the person until they start touching you. In my university town, there's been a guy who's been walking around the city park asking women for "sexual favours." The police caught him, but apparently he's always left people alone after the women said "no." Shooting someone like him would be wrong. I don't like guns, period. I know Sweden manages them fine, but they have mandatory military training. Guns are killing devices, and they should be treated as such.

Knives are more practical. People use knives in their day-to-day lives, and they're more familiar to a lot people. I also think that because they are more personal, one would hesitate before killing or seriously harming someone with one. And this is good.
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby SkyEglinton » Sun May 01, 2011 4:55 pm

i think this idea is offensive and not a good solution at all. This product says that this device is the solution to rape... for only x dollars!! It's insulting to women. There are so many other levels to this problem of rape, for example, some of these problems stem from social interactions, perceptions of women, and power structures, in general. An "anti-rape device" isn't going to solve any of those problems.

What if the guy uses a rod instead of his dick? That's rape too. And the husband who forces himself onto his wife. That's rape too.

And what about men who rape men? Are we gonna start inventing "anti-butt-rape devices"? NO! It's ridiculous!
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Re: Anti-rape condoms (nsfw)

Postby Psychopomp » Mon May 02, 2011 3:48 pm

SkyEglinton wrote:i think this idea is offensive and not a good solution at all. This product says that this device is the solution to rape... for only x dollars!! It's insulting to women. There are so many other levels to this problem of rape, for example, some of these problems stem from social interactions, perceptions of women, and power structures, in general. An "anti-rape device" isn't going to solve any of those problems.

What if the guy uses a rod instead of his dick? That's rape too. And the husband who forces himself onto his wife. That's rape too.

And what about men who rape men? Are we gonna start inventing "anti-butt-rape devices"? NO! It's ridiculous!

Nobody is forcing female-bodied people to use an anti-rape condom. It's entirely their choice. The idea of taking the option away simply because there are other ways a person can be sexually assaulted is mad.
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