Ryles wrote:Also, I think that Zainin was more implying that if we didn't have gender roles and all genders were truly equal in society- we would have fewer people who need to transition or identify as anything else. Some transpeople only/primarily have social dysphoria and transition because it's the only way to be treated as they want. There are also people who are already non-op even if they wisht hey could be treated as who they are.
If everyone could choose the role they wanted without transitioning- then anyone who has mild bodily dysphoria wouldn't need to transition and we'd have fewer transgendered people in that sense. I don't htink Zainin was implying that this would erase bodily dysphoria- but if the two genders were truly equal then there'd be no pressure to transition to be treated as the man/woman you are. And I do think it's wrong to make people feel like they have to transition to be seen as who they are, just as wrong as denying transition to people who need it.
Quoted for truth. This is exactly what I was saying and I'm glad someone saw it.
And to rephrase myself another more whimsical way...
Why have apples and oranges and peaches? Can't they all just be fruit? They are all nutritious and good, after all, though some people have a preference for some and not others (sexual orientation, if this isn't clear), while some like all fruit and some would rather just never eat fruit at all. There's no need to separate them!
...except for the fact that the word "apple" exists to separate the idea of an apple from a pear, and that it would become muddled after a while to discuss all fruit with just the word "fruit". Not that the system is perfect- there are many undiscovered fruits, or subcategories (berries, for instance) and not all people are clear on what's what- such as the fact that a tomato is a fruit and not a vegetable.
Please don't read things that I didn't say into my speech, or make brash accusations. I'm much more patient and thick skinned than others, thankfully, but this is how disharmony can start. Nobody should be afraid to, on a support forum of all places, where we're as anonymous as we wish to be, speak their thoughts for fear they'll be labeled as whatever hatred you wish.
Anyhow, this is not what this thread was about, and I'm personally not going to thread steal anymore. If anyone would like to continue, we shall do it elsewhere.